— So, one subject that we have not covered so far in these group sessions is what we call the transformation of the body. It can be good to have this understanding of what is happening with the body.

Because the body needs to get adjusted, to be adapted to live in a new state. Even though you are already living in the enlightened state, it is not seen yet in most of you — only in some of you. So the body also needs to be adjusted. It may come as some kind of a shift.

And it doesn’t have to come as a spontaneous shift. It can be so — that the transformation of the body can come as a shift, as something really transforming, in one moment. Or it can be that it is going gradually.

So it can go on even in the other aspects of the truth that we have been talking about before: that first we discover this beautiful place of just pure being, just living, inside us. And then in the next discovery we discover that the outside is also the same pure being, showing itself as this moment, whatever it is.

And the next aspect we talked about is to come to the state of pure being, after oneness. Beyond oneness even. And in this state — we just say it very shortly here — the next aspect to be seen is total love. The true nature, the true quality, the true property of your being is unconditional love, and that is bliss.

During all these aspects which we are discovered piece by piece — not in this order necessarily — there is also transformation of the body going on.

It could be good to understand this. If you have symptoms or signs of this, not to be confused by what happens, not to think that “I am getting sick” or something, or “I am getting weak, what is it?”
Of course, it can be a medical thing that you need to take care of and go to a doctor. But here we are talking about the symptoms which are a little strange. Because we can feel good mentally and emotionally, and at the same time the body can be felt as if something is going on in it.
It can be weakness, it can be breath — when it is not easy to breathe. It can be heartbeat. Everyone is different here, of course.

And just to mention — it is good to know this — that there is nothing wrong with your body actually. Because when we are doing all these meditations and activations, and questioning our beliefs, and looking at the resistance towards going to freedom and the fear of going to freedom — it is happening beside that also, in parallel to it: the body is transforming.

And when the body is transformed, it is seen and experienced as one total vibration of love. When that is seen, when that is experienced — that the body is just one total vibration of love — it means probably that most of the transformation has been already gone through.

But while it is still happening — it can be warm heat coming in the body — all kinds of phenomena, we have a long list here, everyone is unique. So if it happens — if some of you have these symptoms or some other things, weird things with the body — it can very much be so that the body is transforming, to be able to live in this new state. Which is not new actually — it is the state of enlightenment, which is already shining behind it all, already now.

But the body is used to living in the gross state of suffering, in the state of tension — because life is suffering, and “I’m not good enough”, and “I will not make it”, and all kinds of ideas that are pushing the body to uncomfortable states. So that’s why the body also has to be transformed, has to be changed in order to let this flow of vibrating love come freely, go freely through.

And that can happen on all the levels we have been talking about. It doesn’t have to be a specific part of our discoveries. It can come piece by piece during all the things that we are doing here.
I just wanted to mention this, because it is good to know that it’s not something wrong with you. But of course, if you are becoming concerned about it, you can always ask questions about it — for instance on my individual WhatsApp. Because everyone is different.

Now I’m open up for questions. Is there are any questions around this, or any comments, or anything to share in this area?
— Alright. Can you hear me?
— Yes, Stefan, we hear you good.
— Okay, great, so I can say that for some time now I feel very much clean and strong. So it’s the opposite — I don’t feel any bad, nothing. It’s better. But I’m not sure where it comes from. I cannot be totally sure it comes from meditation or like that. But it can be that.

— It can probably be that, yes.
— So anyhow, there is a change. Let’s say, about nine days ago it started. I feel very sharp and awake, very much more awake, so to speak.
— Do you feel stronger also in the body?
— Yeah, and mentally.
— And even physically stronger, so to speak?
— Yeah, I feel more rested.

— Yeah, you’re more rested, right? That’s good, very good sign. That’s what we are talking about. And of course, you are talking about positive aspects. Sorry I was talking about the weirdness of the thing, but of course in this process — if we can call it that — when the body is changing, of course they are also coming — blissful moments.
Which are also a little changing, not staying. Maybe it’s not an ecstasy, but it can come as bliss — quiet bliss, you could call it. Bliss, but quiet bliss. And of course, we feel better and better, and the body feels suddenly strong — as after a disease is finished, like after having a flu — but strong in another way. It’s very good, Stefan. Anything else you want to add?

— No, that’s good enough. Let’s just continue.
— Yeah, it’s a good sign. And it is good to be aware of that it is coming along with the process. There are some teachers talking about this actually. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was talking about it, I know. And I know that Adyashanti was talking about it also. But it is not so often talked about, for some reason.
But it is good to know that it is actually a sign that it is really going in the right direction, so to speak. We are discovering more and more that the body is not something restricting us. It is just a vibrating blissful loving being. It is a beautiful experience. It is not only an experience — it is a seeing that it is so. It is an understanding that it is so.

Someone else have any questions or comments around this?

— Yes, I have. Anders here.
— Yeah, hey Anders.
— Hello. Maybe it’s a kind of an odd angle of it… but it happened six weeks ago. I think it was kind of a symptom of my progress actually. But it was a very negative thing that happened — I stumbled on the edge of a pavement and just fell down. But I know that I was on a good way that day, on a good path in my life. And it was a symptom of something. I broke two little bones in my hand, and I got a crack in my heel.
But I thought about it afterwards — it was something like a symptom. It was like I wanted to come forward in my life, but at the same time I had this feeling of hindrance, a hurdle. And because of this hurdle I had in myself — I stumbled. I can say I was not present in the moment. And the lack of presence was due to this kind of a big obstacle in myself. It was like fog in my mind, and that’s why I fell. But it was a good thing because now I have sick life, and I can do my meditations. And I can really, really focus on what I want. Everything always has two sides of the coin. So it was very good. And I love the meditations I’m doing with you because I feel that some very excited state in the body and mind is coming. Not exactly like transcending, but in that way. But maybe they are different things, I don’t know. Maybe you can explain it. Because it’s like going down deeper… Okay, thank you.

— Thank you. About transcending — everyone has different experiences in different meditations. What you call transcending means that we are coming to a place which is beyond the world, which is beyond the personal story. But it doesn’t mean that we cannot hear sounds, because sounds are also actually the personal story. It is the same ocean showing itself as that. So, we are living in the transcendental state and at the same time living actually as the world — the ocean and the waves.
But it is a big concept, this transcendence. Because transcendence means transcending the world actually, transcending the story, and coming to just a state of being which is beyond the story, where everything is just untouched by what happens in the story.
— That was a very good explanation, thank you.
— Thank you, Anders. I think there was somebody else here…

— Yeah, I have a question.
— Yes, Simas, welcome here. Nice to see you.
— Hello, nice to see you, Christer. How about illnesses of the body? For example, you have cancer and you get enlightened. So — do you get healed, or what is it like? I mean does the body heal with enlightenment, or could it be like option — for example you get enlightened but you still have cancer, or whatever? Because even enlightened people are dying, the body is dying. So, what about that?

— Yes, interesting question. And you know, and I think everybody knows by now that many so-called “enlightened beings” — strange expression, right? it’s a natural state — they are dying of cancer. And it can feel weird — why? How can that be? I mean, they are supposed to be free from everything… They are living in the freedom state, they are enlightened — they cannot have any diseases. That is the idea that we have…

But that is not the case. Because — now we are going deeper — there is no body, really. There is no physical body really. What we call a physical body is an experience. But experiences are not changing with the enlightenment.

Enlightenment is a seeing of what is actually going on. Of course, the whole psychology is collapsing, and there is no interest in philosophical questions. Thinking is just used for practical thoughts and creative thoughts. But the events in the story are not changing.

So in the story it seems like this — that there is a physical body, and it seems to be — that the physical body can have some kind of disease. What we call a disease is actually just a new experience. And when you are living from the enlightened state, it doesn’t matter if there is a disease or not — it’s going on in the story.

I know when Ramana Maharshi got cancer in his arm and they wanted him to go to the doctor, he said: “Oh, it’s just a body.” Because he knew that the body is actually not here — it’s just an experience. And when the so-called death is coming, death is just a new experience.
We are not the body. We are even not a responsible person connected to the body. We are beyond both body and mind, and beyond “me” as a person. It’s just an idea.

So, the pure state of being, just living, existing — what is now, what you feel just now — is nothing strange, nothing philosophical. Just being here. Just existing, living, being here. That never dies, because there is no time there. It is limitless, it is infinite, and there is no time.

So, you will be here, even though the body in the story will seem to die. The physical body seems to die, which is actually just an experience. How do you react to this, Simas? Do you have any comments on this?
— No, not really.

— Okay. I know this is not so easy to grasp. Because — ok, if there is no physical body really, it is just five different experiences, the five senses we call it. And then the thought is coming in.
We have five different sensations coming in: seeing, hearing, and so on — these five. So it must be something here then, — the thinking says. There must be something here which has these five senses coming into it.

And this “something” must be here even when we don’t experience more than one thing. You have the hearing now, you see maybe if your eyes are open, you don’t have the other senses active at the same time — but the body must still be here somewhere, living, even when you’re not experiencing it.

This is the idea: that there is something called a physical body, which is here somewhere even though we don’t experience it. But that is just a speculation of course. It is just thinking. And there is no evidence for this. If you try to search for the body, you always answer by referring to some experience: “Where is your body?” — “Oh, it’s here, I feel it now. I hear it now also. I can see it also.”
But that is, of course, 3 different experiences: touching experience, hearing experience and visual experience. But where is the body outside the experiences? We have the idea that we are experiencing something which is outside the experience. But there is no evidence for this.

Of course, if we take this to it’s extreme, so to speak, it means that ok, if there is no physical body, what about the physical world? Now we are really going deeper: there is no physical world. Maybe there is, but we don’t know. Because we only have access to our experiences. We only have access to our five senses, and our feelings, and sensations, and thinking. Thinking is also an experience, coming and going. That is all we have.

So we can’t prove that there is something outside the experiences — which is there, living, existing, independently if you are experiencing it or not.

This is, of course, the old philosophical question: Is there a physical world outside our experiences? Philosophers have been talking about this for 2500 years. And they have not agreed. Or they have agreed on one thing: we cannot know. Because we only have access to our experiences — that’s all. And our thinking.

And the thinking is making interpretations of experiences and says: “So there must be some physical world outside here, that we look on. There must be some kind of a physical body here, existing independently of our experiences. It must be like this!”

Okay — but prove it then. And unfortunately, we cannot prove it, because we have only access to our experiences, we cannot go beyond them, because we only have this. Maybe there is a physical world. Maybe there are physical bodies. But we can never check. That is the problem — we can never check. So I don’t say that there is no physical body, I don’t say that there is no physical world. I just say: we cannot know.

So what should we do then? Should we speculate now: “okay, let’s presume that there is a physical body here and there is a physical world”? Ok, you can do that if you want to, but I will not be with you. Because what we do here — in these sessions, individual sessions and on courses — is just to see what we can know is true.

And if we come to situation when we cannot know, then suggestion is to leave it to the philosophers. That is why I usually show that direction — to the “philosophy room”. Because we can’t know, we are coming to perspectives then, we are coming to opinions, we are coming to philosophy — and that does not help us to see the truth in the present moment, which is already here, shining behind the thoughts.

That was a little bit more than your question about cancer in the body — but it happened this way…
Is there anyone who has any comments on this? I have seen there are some comments in the text area here… Okay, I don’t think there were any questions — they were more comments there. Anyone who wants to comment on this?

Year, I know you did, Anders. You said: “from old shared knowledge in science, I understand there is no body, but I also experience it as an increased excitation in my body and mind”… I don’t know if I understand this — can you explain it more, Anders?

— Yes, I mean there have been many lectures about quantum physics, and also listening to many scientists from Transcendental Meditation, Maharishi, and everybody… I understand that there is no body, because if you go deeper into the quantum field, in physics, ultimately there is only a field of pure existence. I feel this has helped my understanding of metaphysics, of the soul, of the body and mind. But I wonder if it is just an intellectual understanding — not a tangible knowledge? Do you understand what I mean?

— Year, it will come. That will come — not only an intellectual understanding, but also as a seeing that it is like this. It is not only quantum physics talking about it, or esoteric teachings on that matter — but that is actually seen that it is like this. That the body is an experience.

And going back to the subject of transformation of the body — when the body is seen and experienced as just one vibration of love, and that is bliss, then it becomes quite obvious that there is no physical body. It is just what is in the moment.

— Yes, I feel that, thank you, Christer.
— Good, thank you, Anders. Anyone else having something to say? Anything, it doesn’t have to be this topic…

So we see each other tomorrow then — for those who want to. Thank you very much for today